Our story so far!

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Our story so far!

Postby patch on 01 May 2008, 21:12

I have visited this site so many times over the last three months it feels like home! I have often debated with myself as to whether I am ready to share the story of our bankruptcy, but I think if it helps one other person then that has to be a good thing.
And so I will begin, My husband and I started a business 10 years ago, initially with a £20,000 bank loan. A business that would have failed long ago if we had not relied on credit to support us and the demands of a trade in serious decline along with us and our four children to support. One of our children has a serious illness which has left me at home to care and unable to work, that and the business failings left us in the position of taking a IVA. As we did not own our house it was perhaps in hindsight a foolish thing to do. However, in Feb this year two of our customers went bust and our supplier also went into liquidation. Left with no supply to sell and incurred debt from customers we were thrown headfirst in to bankruptcy.
Having spent many years screaming at my husband we should be bankrupt and berating him for not admitting defeat all of a sudden there we were in the position I had wanted but now I was so frightened.

So now for the important part the actual deed!

I had decided to phone the insolvency website at just after 4 pm to enquire about court dates. They told me that whilst some courts have open sessions, I should be prepared for up to a four month wait in certain areas. Major panic on as our local court was by this time closed so that was a sleepness night. In the morning though I phoned them and they were lovely. Told me to do forms on line and take them along to the court with the fee, before 12 on a day of my choice.

Once I had completed the forms, I collated all the relevant information, car logs books, accounts, customers who owed us money, bank statements etc all into two large and heavy ring binders. Whilst this took a good four days it was certainly worthwhile doing as I could check easily that everything was present and correct. So on the 2nd April (my husbands birthday) we went to the court. I was immediately sick in the toilets,and then i cried my eyes out whilst a lovely lady at the counter went through everything. We then had to sit and wait to see the judge which was about half a hour, we were then called in and asked to take a seat. He asked if we wished for him to make us bankrupt to which we said yes, he then read through the documents, and told us that he could indeed see we were insolvent and with that stamped it all. He then told us that we should co operate with the official receiver as it was now in their hands. We thanked him and went back downstairs to the lady at the counter. after handing her our stamped forms we had to wait in a small room for a telephone call. The case officer called and introduced herself and went through the basics of the forms. clarifing some points, and then I asked what I was to do with all the binders of information I had with us, she told me that I could take it immediately to their office which is across the road from the court. So we went on our way there and met with her, for which I was so glad as its always nice to put a name to a face. She could not have been more helpful and We both felt alot more relaxed having spoken with her. And so we then went home to a empty house. We felt empty to, drained from it all but the feelings were not bad just tired.
We could not have a official interview until the 22nd april so of course I could not really relax until that was done. One thing I did was to seperate all the sections of the forms and clearly marked them as to find the relevant information easily, set them out on the kitchen table ready. Promptly as arranged the official recevier rang and the interview was to last just over a hour. But Now I know that sounds like a long time but all our questions were answered and having been self employed it was not as straight forward as some. As we had been able to claim job seekers allowance as we now have no work, that was information to be passed on as that was not in effect at the time of the br. The OR told us that our family car will be collected with in the fortnight, but they were making the van exempt. We are allowed to trade that in for a car if we don't take any finance out on it and it is valued at the same as the van. We have received tax returns and I spoke to the tax office who told me that we have to submit this as they need a figure for the BR. Our accountant will do no more but I am on the case and getting through the forms. So I hope that is my last look at the doomed business records!
The OR gave us a direct dial number in case of any questions and told us to have no worries about ringing about anything at all to do with the BR and or anything relevant. As on benefits no ipa being put in place.
(We could find no information if we would qualify for benefits till new work was found, and with four children this was a major issue to me, However the jobcentre plus were marvellous help.)
We were able to open a co op account and My dear husband has a job interview lined up. On a emotional level I thought he would explode having lost his work for the last ten years but he has taken it ok. He is looking forward and accepts that this has happened. It is quite nice to have him home a bit, (not too much though) as all the jobs that have never got done seem to be getting done, although he never completes a job around the house!.
And do you know I think I must have spoken to the nicest people ever when sorting out things now. No one has been judgemental at all.
So we have yet to go through the process of starting work, although we have been told a nil tax code will be applied. And the trauma of having my car lifted sometime in the next week or so. But if I can offer one message, the agony of being in debt, dreading every visit by the postman, and the phone ringing, is dreadful, but the agony of going bankrupt and I wont lie it aint been easy, has been no worse than the life I had post April 2nd. But now I have the knowledge things will get easier not worse.
So be prepared, be honest and don't feel alone or ashamed. Come on here and look at all the information, I learnt so much from this site. Its not a ride I would have wanted to take but hey, who says we get to choose which path life will take us.
For my Husbands next birthday Guess what he is getting?
A bankruptcy discharge and that has got to be a good thing,

Here's to the future
:wink:
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Postby Piston broke on 02 May 2008, 22:21

Thanks for sharing your experiences patch. Its not always easy to do.
Its a shame that people have to go through all of this through no fault of thier own.

Anyway you have a debt free future to look forward to now and long may it continue so.

Good luck for the future.


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our story so far

Postby patch on 03 May 2008, 08:14

Thanks Geoff for the words of support. When I was looking on here prior to BR for information I looked at at lot of your posts, so it really is a big Thank you. It would seem that no one will tell you a detailed list of allowable expenses, yet from reading one of your posts I now have a very good idea.
I hope as time passes I will learn more about the processes involved and then perhaps be able to help someone else.
I thought that whilst the forms available were very informative from the OR office, a lot of what I actually needed to know was not there, so this site has been a huge help.
One of the worst things that hit me was the emotional rollercoaster but the knowledge that we are not alone helps hugely. :D
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Re: Our story so far! 4 month update

Postby patch on 23 Jul 2008, 12:40

Wow, a third of the way through! Well, its certainly a different life now. Having got over the actual day in court and the interview, we found ourselves in a bit of a no-mans land. Without our business we had no work, but with great thanks to the Jobcentre who were marvellous at helping us on the phone and in person we were able to put in a claim for job seekers allowance. I expected everyone to be so judgemental but I can honestly say that we have had really nice people dealing with us. The few creditors that decieded to bother us have been sorted out swiftly once we referred them to our official receivers office and they too have been very good. Despite our car only being worth under 1000 pound that was collected and crushed in front of my eyes outside my house, which I must admit made me feel a littel sick. We were allowed to keep the van, no good for a family of six so we traded that in for a "very old" car. My husband has a new job, something totally different to anything we ever thought of but he is really enjoying it. Although just part time at the moment we hope that once the training is complete we will be able to get a little more back on our feet. I have had a difficult four months as I was also nursing my grandma through brain cancer and the loss of her was so immensely painful, but it has put the bankruptcy into perspective. We have no luxuries, no excesess, and do genuinally struggle to live with four children but then looking around us so are most of our friends. As none of our friends have money for a social life either we certainly dont feel like we are missing out. I have become a wizz at finding free things to do with the kids, go to the supermarket with a calculater in hand and all the money off vouchers I can find, and the satisfaction of getting home with a bargin is amazing. Much more so than the buzz of what we used to have. The kids school have been truely so kind too. Although we were worried about uniforms, school trips out etc they have helped us a lot. In return I go to them to offer all the help I can as I am not working at the moment. I actually did not feel the relief straight away that some people talk about, it really took a good 8 -10 weeks to get my head around being a bankrupt, But the valuable lessons it has taught and continues to teach me will stay with me. Even if we ever do get things on a level pegging I will never take for granted friends, family and our belongings. I am finding some days hard, but more and more it is getting easier. I think the main difficulties we have had have been because we had a business, if we had the continuation of a job after bankruptcy then I am sure things would have been easier. I still visit this site to get general information and it remains a god send in my life. I wish we were not in this position for the sake of my kids but they even admit that we were broke before so its not had too much of a impact on their lives and they think that we as parents are much happier and more relaxed. So once again, if you are reading this and thinking of the bankruptcy route, take a deep breath and be safe in the knowledge that there is light at the end of the tunnel..... Best wishes.......
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Re: Our story so far!

Postby Thomas on 23 Jul 2008, 17:06

Hi Patch

What a great story!
Like you, I saw it all as a nightmare because I had been self employed all my life and, whilst this made me used to responsibilities, my BR was the first event in my life that I could not overcome or control. Thus I went into deep depression at the thought of all the potential judgement of others and the preceived disgrace to the point where I had to seek medical treatment. Other than the fact that I no longer have any effectual capital , I am content. In fact, I now have almost evangelical zeal to reassure anybody else going through BR that the court/official receiver process etc it is not something to be frightened almost to death about. I am now 2 years on from my own BR.

Just one point in yout post surprised me. As your car was worth so little and not worth the OR's while financially, why was it collected AND crushed? That seems a rather spiteful thing as it must have cost money to do just that.

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Re: Our story so far!

Postby patch on 23 Jul 2008, 17:55

Hi Thomas
We were assured by the general information that cars worth under £2000 were rarely removed as a valuable item. During the interview we were just informed that whilst they had no interest in the van, which was on its 2nd engine, R reg and worth £300, they were indeed removing the car. The car was not at the time working, so whilst if it was it would have been worth about £1500, it required work for which is why I suppose they took it. (presumably as they knew we could not finance garage fees) but in its condition at the time of bankruptcy it was only worth approx £1000. They just said that it would be collected, as indeed it was by our local scrap merchants. They opened the windows, threw through a massive chain and crushed the roof in then took it away. About a week later I had a letter through to let us know that it had been destroyed and the dvla informed. We were able to exchange the van for another car on condition no finance was taken (impossible as we are bankrupt!) When the IVA company phoned to tell us they had been informed of our bankruptcy, they were very surprised that the car had been taken. Perhaps because it was all we had, it was taken as a token gesture. Regardless, it was not for us to start a debate with the official receiver, merely our place to say ok, heres the keys! :roll:
Its reading posts such as yours that has proved invaluable assistance to me. That there are people surviving this route and afterwards is very reassuring.
Thanks
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Re: Our story so far!

Postby Hg on 23 Jul 2008, 21:04

I'm afraid it seems you were misadvised re the car.

A car can only be exempted if it is of a low value AND if it is needed, by the bankrupt, for one of the purposes the law specifies.

An unroadworthy car clearly can't be used for any of those purposes, and therefore remains the Official Receiver's responsibility. The OR can't leave cars he is responsible for just hanging around, so he has to arrange for them to be removed; even if just for scrap.
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Re: Our story so far!

Postby patch on 23 Jul 2008, 21:58

Thanks for that information, I did not want to query it at the time of the interview. I totally understand the reason behind that. Thanks again for taking the time to explain.
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